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What is the point in mentioning up to 1989 when 8 years followed that before wenger arrived? Eight great years too! 2 titles, 2 cups, euro trophy. George Graham never more than 2 years without a trophy, wenger at least 7 and arguably more before that will change, if that poor run ever ends. Graham won 4 different trophies including a Euro success, wenger has still only ever won 2. Has there ever been an arsenal manager in history to lose 5 finals, what a waste of silverware, lacking the bottle when it matters, graham of course would be tactically more astute, to win whenever he got there, just a single loss, luton in 88. I hear the argument a lot, that arsenal weren't successful before wenger came along but they were doing ok. Even though he inherited a great side, Wenger made arsenal even better, but his fresh ideas, diet, training, have become everyone else's. His ideas are tired. Expecting him to still be successful now, is a bit like expecting duran duran to top the pop charts. He doesn't fix problems everyone on planet earth can see are glaringly obvious. He always praises his players when they are poor, he looks any glimmer of positive he can comment on, which is wrapped in a massive negative (unbeaten run, full of poor draws, only team to beat both man utd and barca, when we were only team to play them both). He has got to go and the old grandad of a board need some young guys with fresh ideas too.